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Post by xander on Feb 26, 2015 21:09:43 GMT
Well, I'd certainly give it a good playing.
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Post by 13thSyndicate on Feb 27, 2015 0:35:11 GMT
Thanks! I'm happy to hear you say so~
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Post by xander on Feb 28, 2015 2:12:17 GMT
Ah, right. Question. Do you have a skype?
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Post by 13thSyndicate on Feb 28, 2015 7:05:23 GMT
Sure, I can PM it to you if you want.
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Post by xander on Feb 28, 2015 15:59:02 GMT
ok
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Post by stlaughter on Mar 6, 2015 8:06:04 GMT
Hail and well met!
Your FF X sounds amazing! I love the idea of Yu Yevon having stolen the place of the Gods. (Technically Yunalesca did it, but, you know.)
Also the idea that Lulu and Paine are from some distant Tribe of the Goths both makes sense and is really funny, so kudos on that!
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Post by xander on Mar 6, 2015 16:24:51 GMT
Bet they're great leatherworkers. Hahah...
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Post by 13thSyndicate on Mar 8, 2015 8:50:22 GMT
Hail and well met! Your FF X sounds amazing! I love the idea of Yu Yevon having stolen the place of the Gods. (Technically Yunalesca did it, but, you know.) Also the idea that Lulu and Paine are from some distant Tribe of the Goths both makes sense and is really funny, so kudos on that! I'm totally going to expand on that first note as soon as I get the spoiler posts up, which should happen this weekend  So watch out for that! And... yeah. It just, it never made sense that they were the only two, so... they're not anymore. "Tribe of the Goths"... hahahah, I like that! It's definitely a perfect description, though... I don't think those two are entirely typical of their whole tribe. Then again... They might be... I'm glad you enjoyed the writeup though! I've gotten some really good positive feedback on it since I put it up which has been a total confidence booster! EDIT: Some more thoughts about Yevon - definite spoiler alert for anyone reading this. I loved the way that FFX handled that whole plotline. Too many books and stories just leave things at "this is the way legends say they are so this is the way they are". Having the entire journey turn out to be a lie was probably the best plot twist I have ever seen in a game like FFX. I mean... I knew that Yuna was going to save the world, to beat Sin forever, because you expect that from a game. I never even imagined thinking that the Final Summoning was the mechanism by which Sin returns. And I also love how they use Tidus' outsider viewpoint to create change. You learn with him (which was an excellent vehicle by which to deliver minor plot twists, since he only knows what the others tell him), and as he questions things the Spirans take for granted, Spira itself changes a little at a time. I loved that aspect of the game. It's just such a shame that with my world taking out Dream Zanarkand and Tidus' place in the story, that aspect by necessity can't come through. Instead, there's just a whole new suite of delivery methods for plot options and sidequests..... |
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Post by stlaughter on Mar 12, 2015 2:33:39 GMT
Well, in ways, removing Tidus is vital to making it a tabletop game. Tabletop worlds are violently allergic to change; that's how tabletop worlds let their heroes do stuff. The setting can't change without impact.
Your PCs are your Tiduses, now. (Tidusii?) They, by being outsiders to the plot, can change it. They effectively usurp his role.
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Post by 13thSyndicate on Mar 13, 2015 6:32:27 GMT
Tabletops are also violently allergic to the conceit of the 'main character', too, which means just having a summoner in the party can be dangerous. Having a Tidus would be disastrous, unless everybody was Tidus.
(Now imagining an army of Tiduses. And now because of the Tidusii I am imagining a small army of Tiduses riding pegasi.... thank you, Brain.)
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Post by leadpipe on Mar 14, 2015 1:02:44 GMT
Tabletops are also violently allergic to the conceit of the 'main character', too, which means just having a summoner in the party can be dangerous. Having a Tidus would be disastrous, unless everybody was Tidus. (Now imagining an army of Tiduses. And now because of the Tidusii I am imagining a small army of Tiduses riding pegasi.... thank you, Brain.) I know something else that's violently allergic... |
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Post by 13thSyndicate on Mar 14, 2015 1:36:28 GMT
-sigh- why does nobody get the fact that that scene was INHERENTLY MEANT TO BE DUMB AND ANNOYING SERIOUSLY.
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Post by stlaughter on Mar 19, 2015 1:52:59 GMT
Probably because there's little indication from the script it was meant to be that way? I understand the argument for it, but I just don't see it. There's also the fact that, even if it was meant to be kind of annoying, the thing is, it's really annoying. Nobody likes that scene because of the fact that it's annoying, regardless of authorial intent or not.
It doesn't help, either, that at that point in the game (and later), Tidus suffered from a bad case of Generic RPG Protagonist syndrome; he was much less interesting than any of his party members, he was the standard "guy with sword", and his ignorance of Spira made it difficult to root for or emphasize with him because his main role in-story seemed to be "be very shocked and surprised at everything."
It didn't help that the foreshadowing with Yuna's eventual sacrifice was thick enough to be put on bread for the player, but Tidus kept missing it; a single scene of him going "wait, why is everyone acting weird about the end of this trip" would have made him much more tolerable as a character. In fairness to him, Tidus has no way of knowing and it's not a logical conclusion to jump to, but there were better ways to handle his overall ignorance.
It's not that FFX's bad or anything, it's just that Tidus is by far the weakest link in it. He's one of the weakest overall FF protagonists, not counting protagonists with no personalities whatsoever (FF 1, the Onion Kids), and only Vaan is really worse in that regard, and both for the same reason: a female character is the true protagonist, and the two males are along only because Square Enix was horrified at the idea of a female protagonist. It is Yuna's rejection of Yunalesca's offer which kicks off the boss fight, and the salvation of the world, though Tidus' questions played a pivotal role in that rejection; it is Ashe who drives the plot of FFXII forward, not Vaan. In both cases, Square would have been better served by making the woman the central protagonist, but that glorious monster named sexism forced male characters into roles they were not suited for.
As what he is- a side character, a love interest for the real hero, and a vitally important questioner of the common ways of Spira- Tidus is a great character. As a "hero"? No.
Until Lightning and FF XIII, they wrote many stories with more interesting women in them- and then refused to make those women the main character. That's more damning evidence of bad storywriting than anything else I can come up with.
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Post by Moonjuice7 on Mar 20, 2015 6:12:21 GMT
So what is you opinion on FF6 then? I feel like the protagonist there is most definitely female.
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Post by 13thSyndicate on Mar 22, 2015 15:42:23 GMT
Eh, STLaughter, we'll have to agree to disagree. I do agree that maybe Yuna should've been the main hero, but at the same time, Tidus' role in the story as the viewpoint character was vital. It's difficult to drop the "Yuna's going to die" bomb on the player if the player is playing as the character who's going to die. The problem is that there's a big lack of understanding in the fandom of Tidus' point as 'supporting protagonist' - in other words, I totally agree with you. Tidus isn't the big hero who's supposed to come to Spira and fix everything. He's the romantic lead, the secondary guy, the person whose role it is to question evrything so Yuna can make her own choices, but just because he's the guy you see the story through and are running around the screen doesn't mean that he's the main character.
Sure, there's a lot of "This is your story" to Tidus, but that's because it is. It is his story - but he's not the one it's about. Tidus' story is about Yuna, which is one of the things that makes their own personal love story so good and so much better than the game that Square originally wrote to BE a love story (FFVIII). Squall's story was about Squall and Rinoa was kind of there too. Tidus' story is about Yuna... their destinies are irrevocably intertwined and that's what makes X such a great game.
I think a loto f the people who make your argument also forget that Tidus is only supposed to be 16 or 17, no matter how old he actually looks. A spoiled 17-year-old isn't going to make the connections that a lot of people expect Tidus to have made.
And as for the laughing scene, well.... it's there in the script. They're obviously supposed to be faking it, and everyone else acts like they've gone nuts because of Tidus and Yuna's hilariously bad fake laughter.
But again..... agree to disagree, there.
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So watch out for that! And... yeah. It just, it never made sense that they were the only two, so... they're not anymore. "Tribe of the Goths"... hahahah, I like that! It's definitely a perfect description, though... I don't think those two are entirely typical of their whole tribe.
